Sunday, November 25, 2012


Muslim cleric preaches peace, Islamic supremacists promptly shoot him dead

Why we don't see more genuine Muslim reformers -- not that Kalimulla Ibragimov seems to have been much of one, anyway: "Russia Caucasus: Imam shot dead in Derbent, Dagestan," from the BBC, October 30 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
Attackers have shot dead an imam and two of his male relations, as they drove to a mosque in the Russian North Caucasus region of Dagestan.They were shot on their way to morning prayers, close to the imam's home in the Caspian Sea town of Derbent, law enforcement sources told reporters.
The cleric was named as Kalimulla Ibragimov, 49, who is said to have delivered sermons calling for peace. 
Islamists have been blamed for attacks on moderate Muslims in the region. 
Dagestan, a mainly Muslim region, has been gripped by an Islamist insurgency since 1999, when militants backed by fighters from neighbouring Chechnya launched an offensive against Russian control. 
Three imams have been shot dead in the region since March, the Russian news website reports. 
Mr Ibragimov is said by Russian media to have been a "Salafist", a term used for Islamic radicals. Nonetheless, according to, he "often gave sermons and made appeals for peace and Muslim unity"....


You want peace rafadite dog, we will give you peace...
Allah didn't tell us to be peaceful you apostate, his book tells us to fight and kill until everyone worships him...You claim to worship Allah, but you really worship yourself...Did the Apostle tell us to be peaceful? Even with Jews? Are you mad? Well, you are not mad anymore, Allah now has you by your skinny little neck, and has big plans for you...
That's what you get for preaching peace...Allah willing, and he always is...
Why should we take any Muslim who says he wants peace sincerely?
Mahoundians want peace...They really do...But their peace is not the peace of kuffar, it is the Islamic fulfillment of Quran 8:39, and 2:193...Peace will come when all opposition to Islam stops and everyone worships Allah...
The big problem is, 'fight them until'...Since 'until' has no expiration date, perpetual warfare is the result...As an unintended consequence, if Islam ever gets that kind of peace, and there is no one to fight or kill, it shuts the door for jihadists to get at the virgins...The brothel in the sky will lock the door so no new dead jihadists can enter...keeping that door open is another reason for perpetual warfare...
Well, Muslims killing other Muslims is definitely preferable to Muslims killing non-Muslims but, oh man, Islam is so screwed up. It kidnaps the mind and often ensures bodily harm and for what? For Allah? The sanctity of the Koran? For Mohammed? What a waste. There's no reforming this monster of a "religion". It's got to go.
"Islamists have been blamed for attacks on moderate Muslims in the region."
What the reporter meant to say was:
"Wild hyenas have been blamed for attacks on unicorns in the region."
All seriousness aside, as Steve Allen used to say: This reporter is doing two things:
1) reporting the fact that one group of Muslims killed a Muslim cleric
2) inferring from this fact that the reason he was killed was because he preached "peace".
This reflex spasm of the reporter reflects the tendency of the PC MC template. It works like a machine: Whenever a fact presents itself, it already has pre-fab axioms which engage their gears into interpretive action.
Thus, a PC MC notices one group of Muslims killing another. Immediately, his PC MC brain releases the the killed victims must have been moderate Muslims, and the killers must have been 'Salafists' mechanism.
In this case, the victim was himself a 'Salafist'. No need for concern; it must have been a blip. And notice how the reporter just leaves that fact lying there like an undigested lump. He was so intent on interpreting all the other facts of the report, but now suddenly he has nothing ot say about this one.
Also, we have a glimmer into the truth of the matter in the fact -- also undigested -- that this preacher also preached, beside "peace" (which in Islam can mean many things we don't recognize as "peace"), "Muslim unity".
The far more reasonable interpretation to draw from the facts is that this was The Crips taking out a Blood.
"The cleric was named as Kalimulla Ibragimov, 49, who is said to have delivered sermons calling for peace." -- headline
Those belonging to the "religion of peace" kill a cleric over a sermon calling for peace?
Things that make you go hmmmm ...
I wouldn't jump to conclusions. Shooting in Dagestan is not news. There are plenty of insurgent groups, remnants of the civil war in Chechnya and Dagestan. Their motivations are usually far from religious ones. More like tribal or simply criminal. Besides, Kalimulla Ibragimov wasn't even official cleric according to Russian news media
"Their motivations are usually far from religious ones. More like tribal or simply criminal."
Since Islam is a Super-Tribe and a Super-Gang, then most of its violent activities are "tribal" and "criminal" in addition to being religious.
Thus, two flaws in the thought process of killdameatbag:
1) he assumes a religion must always be benign
2) he apparently can't pat his head and rub his stomach at the same time: i.e., an incident of Muslim violence can be both tribal/criminal and Islamic; one needn't stand off in the self-imposed corner of Either/Or.
I take the trouble to point this out because killdameatbag is not the only one in the "Counter-Jihad" to think this way.
This first flaw tends to underestimate the degree and quality of the fanaticism we face from this unique enemy.
The second flaw tends to bracket out innumerable acts of violence around the world from the problem of Islam.
Both flaws would undermine our ability to practice the #1 law of war to the fullest: Know Thine Enemy.
I suspect many more Muslims would opt for the peaceful path if they were not prevented by fear of violence from their more radical co-cultists.

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